I had to go to corporate’s quarterly nurse education meeting today and sit through a 3 hour class on how to communicate with doctors. I can’t decide what pissed me off more, the fact that they felt a class like this was necessary or the way in which the class was conducted.
The docs had been complaining because they were receiving phone calls like this:
Nurse: ” The order says to call you if the patients’s blood sugar is over 250 and it’s 251.”
Doctor: “What have his blood sugars been before now?”
Nurse: ”I don’t know. Wait a minute and I’ll look it up.”
Doctor: ”Has he done anything different? Did his diet or his medications change? Has he taken all of his meds today? What is he on to control his blood sugars?”
Nurse: ”I don’t know. Let me go ask him and I’ll call you back.”
Are nursing schools turning out idiots these days? No wonder some doctors have attitudes! When someone wastes my time like that I get furious!!
So the folks at corporate spent who knows how much time and money developing a system, complete with notebooks and posters and reminder cards to post by the phone, that boils down to something that should have been taught in Basic Nursing 101. Think about the situation and get your information together before making the call. But they give you a little reminder card with a cutesy acronym on it so you can remember how to do it.
They even had lists of what events are considered urgent, significant, or informational and code words to use in order to convey the difference. What has happened to nursing judgement? Does that not exist anymore? Apparently not if I have to depend on someone else to tell me what is urgent and what is not. They had the gall to offer tips on how to get the doctor’s attention and a time limit (10 seconds) in which to state the problem, give relevant data (30 seconds), and add some history (10 more seconds). We had to go through case studies in which we did this as well as identify information that was not relevant, including standing in front of a microphone and following their script.
And they asked us if we would be interested in a workshop on critical thinking. Excuse me? They have to teach classes on that now?
I see and hear all this talk, some of it sounding very defensive, about nursing being a “profession” requiring advanced education, etc. etc. etc. but when I’ve gone to educational meetings given by nurses they very often involve silly games about the topic under discussion with prizes that are usually cheap plastic gizmos with the corporate logo on them. I don’t think other “professionals” do this. It’s patronizing and insulting to treat adults like children that have to be bribed to retain information. The doctors I know would walk out on a “professional” meeting conducted like that.
Apparently the situations giving rise to the complaints are occurring in another division rife with new grads and inexperienced nurses. You don’t get a job in my division unless you are a seasoned, experienced nurse. No one in the room had less than 10 years experience. Before the meeting started I was reading through the handouts and made a comment to the director of nursing for my division, “Ann, this is basic nursing. Why are we doing this?” She told me that the doctors from (insert name of biggest HMO in the country) were complaining and that they told them they would teach it to all the nurses so I should just pretend it was medicine that I have to take.
Gee, thanks. 31 years as a nurse and, if I say so myself, a damned good one, and I get treated like a child. Does this happen to other nurses in other specialties? Are new nurses really this poorly organized and prepared? Do the powers that be consider us all to be about 4 years old? Is this attitude justified?


Janet
Wow, what a drag. I have to tell you it is probably not the Nursing school that is failing. It is earlier in the education of these kids. Most of my classmates are in their 20’s and even though these are supposed to be the top students, I am shocked at how much hand holding and explicit instructions they need. They don’t seem to be able to think things through. Also I have never seen so many acronyms and strategies for learning stuff until this year. I actually don’t use it, I just learn the material, period, They all ask me for my study strategies because I do well on exams and I just shrug and say I don’t really have a strategy, I just learn the material the old fashioned way. It is pretty frustrating, and I can see why Docs would want to straighten them out. It is too bad that EVERYBODY has to do the training, it just wastes your time.
Jennie
Yeah, it would seriously piss me off, too. Especially, because a) it’s a supreme waste of your time, you have better things to do and probably don’t really have the time to sit though such a stupid thing and b) as you said, you’ve been doing this for a good deal of your adult life.
Also probably one of those things where only some needed it but because manglement doesn’t want to point fingers and cause “problems” everyone had to go.
Sucks, I know. Go pet your yarn and fondle your needles.
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Yes, I remember hearing rants from our nurses who had to attend a very very similar course…all said things similar to you.
-Kim
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My nursing school spent so much time on nursing theory and the politics of nursing, and very little time was spent on what it is that nurses actually do. I almost think that teaching nurses how to communicate to a doctor over the phone would be “beneath them” and yet disseminating information and relaying it to the doctor is a pretty important part of what we do.
On another note, at my previous job I used to have to take a test in the form of a crossword puzzle to prove that I am informed about TB. One time I went to an educational session on arrhythmia monitors, featuring Halloween characters like witches and goblins, and candy bars when I answered a question correctly.
sadly, i have worked with the nurses who have no clue when to call and when NOT to call.. and i can’t explain when the breakdown occurs. “but it says to call for sugar over 150 or bp over 160 or whatever”… annnnnd… what other information do you have? ‘none, i just called like the order said to’ (*pulls hair out and takes deep breath) these are the same coworkers who think it’s perfectly fine to call a doc in the middle of the night about colace……..
it seems there are more of ‘them’ then us and we are forced to sit through the bs………